這是另一位資深山達基人 Monnis 投書給版主的信。希望以他過來人的身分給台中的Crab一些建議。
Monnis 是十多年的台灣早期山達基人，曾出入海洋機構，是另一位說話有份量的前山達基人。
以下
Crab你好：
看了你的問題，感慨萬千。在版主回覆之前不妨也聽聽我這過來人的意見。
一般而言，等你課程結業想離開就難了，他們會針對你課程上的收穫來幫你規畫下一個課程，如此循環不已，直到把你送到國外上課聽析為止。
國外上課聽析的費用更是嚇人，但教會國外人員會說買這些都是為你好，錢不該成為阻擋生命成長的問題。你的錢當然絕不是他們的問題。等你負債沒錢了更不是他們的問題，到頭來全都還是你自己必須扛的問題。
在其中，除了上課聽析的昂貴費用外，各式各樣巧立名目的捐款將接踵而至，而且不是自由捐獻，他們擺明了就是要你非捐一定數字不可，你不想捐，他們就多人圍攻你，甚至不准你離開，你說沒錢，他們就叫你打電話給有能力付錢的親友，反正目標金額非到手不可。
他們會說這些錢都是要拿去支援「聖戰」，對抗教會可怕的敵人，但沒人知道這些錢的真正流向。
通常那些越陷越深的人多半有接受過聽析，誠實來看，聽析很像對抗低潮憂鬱的嗎啡，服用下去，低潮憂鬱會神速緩和，就像重傷患用嗎啡止痛一般；然而，聽析無法根治極嚴重的問題，就如同嗎啡可以緩和疼痛，但無法治療造成疼痛的病因，這時教會的人會建議你去上更高階課程提昇智慧，用智慧化解聽析解決不了的問題。
如此一來，相信的人就努力繼續花錢聽析上課，盼望有一天把問題給徹底解決，但是，你有把握在錢用盡之前把問題解決嗎？
身邊有錢但是對生命感到茫然的人一接觸到山達基或許會如獲至寶，畢竟先前有錢也買不到他渴望的快樂，這樣的人，多半會成為強力的支持者，不過他要是先接觸到其他狂熱宗教，也一樣會狂熱支持。
所以這不單純是山達基的問題。要把這類的人勸離一個他狂熱支持的宗教很難，與其這麼做，還不如先不受他們影響比較實際。
相對理性或是較容易被影響的人應該才是你要努力的勸導對象，多和他們聊聊，發現他們目前遇到的盲點，把網路上的資訊展示給他們看，你會幫到很多人和他們下一代！
最後，我必須坦承現在山達基外的世界一樣問題叢生，搞不好還更嚴重，而教會正是緊抓這些問題來強化教會存在的價值。
自身渴望解決的麻煩加上社會層出不窮的問題，這就是為什麼和我一樣的「前山達基人」會深陷其中那麼久。如今，你的理性還未淪陷，未來會不會淪陷全仰賴你的智慧。
祝福你了。
Monnis
謝謝史密斯太太協助提供訊息!
謝謝我自己秉持理性客觀的態度檢視山達基，我只能說"無知，是一種罪惡"。
另外，倒數的那三段應該是連在一起的，中間也不需任何句點，這樣會較符合我原意。
另外，不只教會有問題，好像連賀伯特生平的人格、事蹟皆有問題?聽說"快樂之道是最諷刺的著作???既然賀伯特的著作沒問題，那......我開始霧煞煞了，因為我有買過9本書+3片DVD!
既然您買了書及DVD,就當作涉獵不同領域的書籍吧~
山達基主要還是以高額的收費及想離開不自由為人所垢病!
問題不在賀伯特的著作有沒有問題，關鍵是這些書能給我們多少的幫助。像品格中的狀況公式，你覺得有用就繼續用，覺得沒用就丟棄它，但絕對沒必要因為有用就開始花大筆錢聽析上課，一直到嚴重負債為止。
最後要告訴各位一個真相，為了聽析上課而嚴重舉債其實是違反個人狀況公式的，但卻滋養了教會的曲線，他大你小，所以你的死活不如教會重要，這就是山達基教會的最核心思想之一。
旗艦機構這麼惡劣啊...簡直是土匪...不!整個山達基教會的所有一切簡直是流氓!
我的書都沒拆 是用刷卡的
花了上千塊
我要退
我刷了兩個課程,我還有一個研習班還沒上 應該可以退費
麻煩妳了~
還有我方便直接聯絡你媽? 因為我得關電腦了還有我不能用悄悄話
感恩!
路過看過之後，總感覺都是一些宗教狂熱份子，
而且教會又不是補習班，為什麼會退費??
更跨張的是，上述兩位太太都說自己是很資深的前輩，
自己在裡面打混了十多年，這十多年不知道自己是不是也是狂熱的向別人推銷自己的宗教，現在卻反過來自打嘴巴...
非常佩服路人甲閣下的覺察能力。閣下竟然有能力在路過的短短時間內，發覺問題的重點：教會又不是補習班，怎能收取高額的費用！小弟愚痴，投入其中數年，繳交約十萬台幣的費用，才驚覺盲點所在。著實佩服閣下的覺察力，假如小弟當初便有如閣下敏銳的覺察力，就不會走冤枉路了。
我想閣下一定是誤會了，小弟與諸位前輩都是良民，能奉公守法並堅守工作的崗位，絕非宗教狂熱份子，也並非反社會人格的偏激份子。當初進入教會，只想學點東西，並沒想過要成為清新著或ＯＴ，更沒想過要清新宇宙，因為那些目標對小弟而言，太狂熱了。如果每個人都能像閣下那麼理性與冷靜，就不會發生假借宗教或靈修名義斂財的事件了。
古人有言：人非聖賢，知錯能改，善莫大焉。周處能除三害，正因能勇於面對自己過去所犯的錯誤啊！
我前天有到當初接洽的中心去要求退費.....我有將發票和收據二張影印一份給山達基....正本我有自己留下來！書籍因為有拆封三本，我就把剩下未拆開的書+一片DVD還給他們......有拆過的書我只好認賠，我請山達基在我正本的收據備註說:退還哪些書籍....
請問一下，我接下來是不是要密切的打電話詢問他們退費的工作天數要幾天？
我擔心這件事會拖太久退費更難！還是我有必要寄存證信函給山達基，副本給消基會？哪一種方法是最快速解決退費這種事情呢？謝謝您！
網路上眾說紛紜，我不知道到底孰是孰非，我只看到板主對於稍有反對意見的留言都予以強烈批評和譴責，有些甚至接近謾罵，我想請問這是山達基影響您嗎?讓您也變成了一個狂熱反宗教者?
還有您建議不想信教的網友把書賣給其它人，這豈不是自相矛盾？閣下都已經覺得山達基是個誑人的宗教，還要讓更多的人花錢去買書，去受騙？(根據您的講法)或是讓已經被騙的人去騙別人？
還是其實山達基不是那麼壞，可以讓您為它推銷新書？
不知您有沒有買過一些商品，如3C、汽車等，卻發現有了瑕疵，然後向廠商抱怨商品品質差，並要求更換的經驗？
請問，像這樣的消費者是否就是"澳客"？
小弟之前有接觸過山達基，山達基的品格官會給學員一個強烈的暗示：那些批評山達基的負面資訊，都是反社會人格人，或者偏差錯亂的人。
所以早期山達基人在網路上與人辯駁，辯到最後都會搬出這條鐵律，也就是問對方是不是有吃精神科的藥？或者是不是有什麼不敢面對的？或者是不是品格有問題？...等等情緒性強烈的字眼。
請問，難道您們都不覺得哪裡怪怪的嗎？
As I expected, you only have English versions. If you know any ex Scientologists who have Chinese versions, I'm happy to get it published online somewhere.
Ideally, I hope to receive any material in the form of files. Otherwise, I can scan, I can rip content from DVD's, but receiving the book and DVD themselves are troublesome. See how it goes.
雖然我已經離開山達基，跟山達基沒什麼干係了，突然想到還是會來逛逛，謝謝史密斯太太、 Monnis 、 focus 協助!
各位加油，期盼這裡能幫那些走不知路的導回正途...加油囉!
淨空法師曾在學佛答問中提到：曾經有三位修行者覺得自己已經修行證道了，所以想找淨空法師幫他證明，但淨空法師卻有智慧的對三位說：我自己都還沒悟道，怎能幫你們證明呢？於是三人便拂袖而去。試想：一個已修行證道的人，怎麼還會有貪嗔痴？正如一個有正知正見的人，並不會到處顯現自己多有神通的。
之前有吃過兩年憂鬱症ㄉ藥
正在考慮做淨化中
我很懷疑人生不再有低潮這本書有像職員說ㄉ那麼神奇
Dear Friend,
I am emailing you as a friend and fellow Scientologist. As we enter a new year, it is hoped that 2012 can be a year of great dissemination and a year of real progress up The Bridge for all Scientologists.
Although I am not in the Sea Org right now, I served in the Sea Org at Flag for 29 years. 17 of those years were as Captain FSO. I am a trained auditor and C/S as well as an OEC, FEBC and DSEC.
I am completely dedicated to the technology of Dianetics and Scientology and the works of LRH. I have seen some of the most stunning and miraculous results in the application of LRH technology and I absolutely know it is worth fighting to keep it pure and unadulterated.
My husband and I are in good standing and we are not connected with anyone who is not in good standing. We have steadfastly refused to speak to any media, even though many have contacted us.
But I do have some very serious concerns about out-KSW that I see permeating the Scientology religion.
I have the utmost respect for the thousands of dedicated Scientologists and Sea Org members. Together, we have come through everything this world could throw at us and have some real impingement on the world around us. I am proud of our accomplishments and I know you are too.
However there is no question that this new age of continuous fundraising is not our finest moment.
LRH says in HCO PL 9 Jan 51, An Essay on Management, "drop no curtains between the organization and the public about anything.”-LRH
Based on this policy I am communicating to you about some situations that we need to do something about within our religion, within our group.
Actions that are either not covered in policy or directly violate LRH policy and tech include the extreme over-regging and fund-raising activities that have become so much a part of nearly every Sea Org org and Class V org as well as every “OT Committee”. This fundraising is not covered anywhere in LRH policy.
Hardworking Sea Org members and the dedicated staff of orgs around the world aren't choosing to do these actions. Nor are the OTs. I am sure they would be more than happy if they could just get on with direct dissemination of Scientology as they have done for so many years.
But the truth is that this is being driven from the very highest echelons within the Scientology structure and clearly there is a lot of pressure to make targets that are being set.
The IAS: The IAS was created unbeknownst to LRH in 1984 by Marc Yager and David Miscavige. This was supposed to be based on LRH policies on the subject of membership and the HASI, however the IAS is nothing like the membership system described by LRH which only has two memberships and is covered in HCO PL 22 March 1965 “Current Promotion and Org Program Summary, Membership Rundown” and states: “There are two memberships…”- LRH
LRH lists there the INTERNATIONAL ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP and gives its cost at 10 pounds sterling or $30 US. He also lists a LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP which is priced at $75 US. There are no other memberships or statuses approved or known to LRH.
Furthermore, membership monies are supposed to go directly to the org where the membership is signed up, and the money used for dissemination by that org, in that area. This is covered in HCOPL 1 Sept 1965R Membership Policies.
“It all goes into the HCO Book Account in the area where the membership is brought and is not part of the organization's weekly gross income. Membership monies go to dissemination”.- LRH
Currently membership monies are held as Int reserves and have grown to well in excess of a billion dollars. Only a tiny fraction has ever been spent, in violation of the policy above. Only the interest earned from the holdings have been used very sparingly to fund projects through grants. In fact many of the activities you see at IAS events are not actually funded by the IAS, but rather by the Scientologists involved.
Think about it, how many ads disseminating Scientology, Dianetics or any Scn affiliated programs have you seen on TV? Heard on the radio? Seen in newspapers? I haven't seen one in the 4 years I have lived in San Antonio, Texas, the 7th largest city in the US. How many have you seen?
Donating anything more than a lifetime membership to the IAS is not based on LRH policy. The article “What Your Donations Buy” (The Auditor, The Monthly Journal of Scientology No. 51, 1970) is clearly talking about how the church
uses your donations for Dianetics and Scientology services. Next time you are asked to donate outside of services, realize that you are engaged in fundraising and ask to see something in writing from L. Ron Hubbard that this is something he expects from you as a Scientologist.
New Org Buildings: LRH also never directed the purchase of opulent buildings or the posh renovations or furnishings for every org.
In fact, if you read HCO PL 12 March 75 Issue II, “The Ideal Org”, which is what this program has been called, and nowhere in it will you find 20 million dollar buildings or even any reference to the poshness of org premises at all as part of LRH’s description of an “Ideal Org”. Instead, an Ideal Org was one that delivered and moved people up The Bridge – something that is not part of this “Ideal Org” program.
LRH says in the PL that an Ideal Org: “would be clean and attractive enough not to repel its public” – LRH.
This is all it says about the state of the building.
As a result of this off-policy alteration of the Ideal Org PL, we have the majority of top OTs, now deemed “OT Ambassadors”, heavily engaged in fund-raising activities that include “bingo”, “pirate dinners”, “knitting classes”, “hay rides”, and many other activities strictly revolving around raising funds for the required multi-millions of dollars to fund their “Ideal Org”. As part of this, people around every org are now asked to donate to their local “Ideal Org” instead of their own services or their own Bridge.
LRH says in HCO PL Org Ethics and Tech: “GET RID OF DISTRACTIONS FROM SCIENTOLOGY in your org. Baby-sitting or raffle tickets and such nonsense.”-LRH
Yet these distractions are rampant as they are being used as fund-raisers to get money for the huge quotas being issued to fund the “Ideal Org”.
“If the org slumps… don’t engage in ‘fund-raising’ or ‘selling postcards’or borrowing money. Just make more income with Scientology. It’s a sign of very poor management to seek extraordinary solutions for finance outside Scientology. It has always failed.”
“For orgs as for pcs, ‘Solve It With Scientology’.
“Every time I myself have sought to solve financial or personnel in other ways than Scientology I have lost out. So I can tell you from experience that org solvency lies in more Scientology, not patented combs or fund-raising barbeques.”
HCO PL 24 February 1964, Issue II, Org Programming, (OEC Vol. 7, p. 930)
The point is that Scientologists and OT’s need to be training, auditing and disseminating to raw public- not regging each other or holding internal fundraisers.
Out Tech: Over the last few years we have seen literally hundreds and hundreds of people who were validated as clear using the CCRD as developed by LRH now being told they are not Clear. This included hundreds of OTs who were then put onto NED as a “handling”. LRH clearly forbid any Dianetics to be run on OTs in HCOB “Dianetics Forbidden on OTs”. This is out tech. This entire technical “handling” was directed personally by COB RTC and was done on thousands of OTs. But it was based not on an LRH HCO Bulletin, but rather based on a single C/S instruction where LRH C/Sed one pre-OT who had not achieved the state of clear but was mid OT III and not making it. LRH directed a solo handling that the pre-OT was to do to get himself to achieve the state of Clear. This LRH C/S taken out of context was then used to implement a technical handling that was in direct violation of an LRH HCOB.
This and other “technical handlings” done on Solo NOTs auditors created great expense and hardship on Solo NOTs auditors around the world as they were made to do these handlings to continue on the level.
Then there are the “fast grades at Flag” that no other org has. How can it be that Flag has been delivering grades differently to the rest of the world for the last 3 years? Whatever the problem is, the fact is that having “fast Grades” at Flag creates a hidden data line and is a HIGH CRIME and the subject of an entire policy letter called HCOPL “TECH DEGRADES” which LRH has placed at the start of every Scientology course.
More recently the fad seems to be that nearly everyone needs to “re-do their Purif and do a long objectives program”, including many OTs mid Solo NOTs.
There is nothing wrong with doing objectives, but it is a clear violation of HCOB ‘MIXING RUNDOWNS AND REPAIRS” to have a person mid a rundown or OT level be taken off it and placed on an objectives program.
Solo NOTs auditors are also being made to get their objectives from a Class IX auditor at great expense as they are not being allowed to co-audit.
Flag has made many millions of dollars on the above listed out tech handlings because OTs mid Solo NOTs are forced to get these out-tech actions to be able to get back onto and stay on the level and complete it. Not to mention the spiritual effects of the out tech that this has on each OT.
I myself was subject to these out tech “handlings”, including extensive FPRD mid Solo NOTs. It took its toll in many ways, including physical situations I am still dealing with today. So I have some reality of the hardship caused.
LRH Command Structure: LRH left us with a complex and balanced command structure, with our orgs led by the Office of ED International. This office was considered so important that LRH created a special management group called the Watch Dog Committee whose only purpose was to see that this office and the other needed layers of management existed. LRH ED 339R speaks of this extensively as the protection for our Church. But these people are missing. And not just some. As of just a few years ago there were no members of the office of ED Int on post, not to mention top execs throughout the International Management structure.
You may have also wondered… where is Heber, the President of the Church? What about Ray Mitthoff, Senior C/S International, the one that LRH personally turned over the upper OT Levels to? How about Norman Starkey, LRH's Trustee? What happened to Guillaume – Executive Director International? And Marc Yeager, the WDC Chairman? What happened to the other International Management executives that you have seen at events over the years?
The truth is that I spent weeks working in the empty International Management building at Int. Empty because everyone had been removed from post. When I first went up lines I was briefed extensively by David Miscavige about how bad all of them were and how they had done many things that were all very discreditable. This seemed to “explain” the fact that the entirety of the Watchdog Committee no longer existed. The entirety of the Executive Strata, which consisted of ED International and 11 other top International executives that were the top executives in their particular fields, no longer existed. That the Commodore’s Messenger Org International no longer existed. All of these key command structures of Scientology International, put there by LRH, had been removed.
There were hundreds and hundreds of unanswered letters and requests for help from org staff, written based on LRH ED 339R where LRH says that staff can write to these top executives in the Exec Strata for help. But this is not possible if all these execs have been removed and no one is there to help them or to get evaluations and programming done to expand Scientology.
Well, after that I got to spend some quality time with Heber, Ray Mithoff, Norman Starkey, Guillaume, as well as the entirety of International Management at the time, who were all off post and doing very long and harsh ethics programs. These have gone on for years and to the only result of that they are still off post. There is no denying that these top executives have all gradually disappeared from the scene. You don't see them at the big events anymore or on the ship at Maiden Voyage.
David Miscavige has now become the “leader” of the Scientology religion. Yet what LRH left behind was a huge structure to properly manage all aspects of the Scientology religion. He put a complete and brilliant organizational structure there, not one individual. There never was supposed to be a “leader” other than LRH himself as the goal maker for our group.
There is a situation here and even if you have not been to the International Management Base you should be able to see that over regging and frequent tech changes are not OK and you have a responsibility to do something to Keep Scientology Working. You should be able to find and read the references on membership in OEC Volume 6. Find and read the HCO PL entitled “The Ideal Org” (Data Series 40). Find and read the references on org buildings, including HCO PL 24 Aug 65 II, Cleanliness of Quarters and Staff, Improve our Image. Also, HCO PL 17 June 69, The Org Image.
If you don't want to make waves or put yourself in danger of being taken off the level or denied eligibility, then there are some simple things you can do. First and foremost, withdraw your support from off policy actions. Stop donating to anything other than your own services and actual Bridge progress. Simply demand to see an LRH reference that says you are required to make other such donations. No one will be able to produce any references because there aren't any.
Stop supporting any of the activities that are being done to forward off-policy fund-raising in your area.
LRH says what he expects of a Scientologist – that is what he expects you to do. In fact he put it in HCOB 10 June 1960 Issue I, Keeping Scientology Working Series 33, WHAT WE EXPECT OF A SCIENTOLOGIST. Read it and follow it.
The other thing you can do is to send this email to as many others as you can, even if you do it anonymously.
Please keep this email among us, the Scientologists. The media have no place in this. You may wonder why I have not written a KR and gone about my business. The answer is, I have. But there is no longer anyone to send that KR to.
But you can and should write reports and bring off-policy to the attention of local org executives and local Sea org members.
We are a strong and powerful group and we can affect a change. We have weathered many storms. I am sorry that I am the one telling you, but a new storm is upon us. It's waves are already in the media and the world around us.
The truth is that as a Scientologist you are more able, more perceptive and have a higher integrity. Scientology is supposed to allow you to “think for yourself” and never compromise your own integrity. And most certainly LRH held every Scientologist responsible to KEEP SCIENTOLOGY WORKING.
I am not trying to do anything other than affect a change in serious off policy actions occurring. My husband and I have most of our family and many many good friends who are Scientologists. I have not been real interested in sticking my neck out like this.
However, I also know that I dedicated my entire adult life to supporting LRH and the application of LRH technology and if I ever had to look LRH in the eye I wouldn't be able to say I did everything I could to Keep Scientology Working if I didn't do something about it now.
We all have a stake in this. It is simply not possible to read the LRH references and not see the alterations and violations that are currently occurring.
You have a very simple obligation to LRH. Don't participate in anything off policy, and let others know they should not either. If every person who reads this email does nothing more than step back from off-policy actions we
would have changed direction. If we took all that energy and directed it into auditing, training and raw public dissemination, we would be winning.
And that is what I wish for you and all of us as we ring in this new year.
ARC,
Debbie Cook
Former Executive Debbie Cook Speaks Out Against Scientology. [abc News 6th Jan 2012]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLXgOewffko&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
任職旗艦機構17年的前艦長(Debbi Cook)今年寄給山達基人一封信，山達基官方教會竟然將她告上法庭，告她違反"保密協定"，說她叛教、從未在國際教會工作過。
Debbi的信，除了提到off PL的over-reg、fund-rasing外，還提到Out-Tech、Out-management (Int Management都空了，只剩一個leader)。
內部的Out-KSW，對於奉獻27年的SO職員來說，相信她寫這封信時，一定是痛心疾首...
既然我在這裡，讓我介紹一下我的新影片：「那些年，山達基怎樣害我一家。」
謝謝你們的分享
教會的邏輯真的很有趣，如果錢不重要，那麼教會為什麼不從自己做起，大幅調低學費、聽析費和捐款？
我是有產品的有品格的有正義的有使命的謝碧霞
謝碧霞，我也認識，不過現在道不同，只能祝妳一路順風啦。
https://sites.google.com/site/biglistthatleftscientology/home
過沒幾天後`本人接到一位女士來電`
說要幫我做更詳細分析`防衛心很重的我`第一句說`要錢嗎`
對方回答`他們是研究機構`義務分析...等`
要當資料庫用...叫我不用擔心`
便不疑有他`至南京東路5段山達基教會`
本人承認`目前身心疲憊`情緒非常不穩定`低潮到谷底`
原本就打算做心理諮商了`後被聽析員`
一來一回分析後`自己也莫名其妙`感覺所有負面能量都被釋放出來`
有解決嗎`(我自己也不知道`當下只是感覺有好一點)
於是對方`更進一步推銷自家產品`戴尼提dvd$450元`和禮拜六課程$500元
很妙`我居然很樂意掏腰包買下來`也沒想很多`
因為忽然感覺有人了解你...等
接著對方說`他們是做義工`幫助需要幫助的人`
回家後`仔細回想`才感覺怪怪的`
因為購買產品的話`不是要開產品收據或是發票嗎`
對方的收據居然開`不定期捐款`也沒明細...等
這不是想退貨的客人`沒收據可以證明買了哪些東西嗎`
另外`電話中不是說研究機構嗎`義務分析嗎`前後矛盾`
這些跡象讓人想查一下網路`才得知這裡`
當下也是被聽析員分析`(你說有用嗎`實話說`很有用)
可是真的解決問題嗎(沒有ㄟ還是要靠自己)
頂多能幫助自己如何面對情緒管理`
這些訪間資料不是一堆嗎`(好奇怪)
為何當下就有想購買的衝動`
現在問題是`這禮拜六的課程`
本人已經花了500元`要過去聽嗎`
如果又是類似強迫買產品的話`怎麼辦`
對推銷員而言，只要行人肯停留腳步填問卷或接受免費贈品，就是成功一半了；同樣，只要會做牛津分析的人，對教會而言，也是成功一半了，因為這樣的行為對推銷員及教會來說，都代表容易被說服。
其實牛津分析也沒什麼，答案就是要符合賀伯特的學說，如果沒有，職員就說你不快樂、狀況不好，需要上課。舉例來說：有一題是＂即使你的健康和收入容許你養育更多子女，你會仍只想要生育二個或更少的小孩嗎?＂這題就是依據情緒等級裡的＂喜歡生育＂、＂喜歡小孩＂，如果你選是，那你就符合標準答案。但一般人都會考慮目前社會情況來作答，所以會選否。選項答案就非黑即白，所以這樣子的分析並不客觀，因此你的曲線表現不好，也不代表你真的那麼糟糕。
真的，只要一去聽課，就沒完沒了。
通常只可以檢舉在安全搜尋之下出現的成人網頁，而沒有人處理錯了的過濾。
而且我未信基督以前都沒有奉獻，依然可以與基督徒坐席，一起看聖經、禱告，這才是幫助人的宗教，在愛裡醫治心房。雖然生命中依然有東西要處理，可是沒有關係，神會陪伴我、一起經歷。
[耶利米書:29:11]耶和華說：我知道我向你們所懷的意念是賜平安的意念，不是降災禍的意念，要叫你們末後有指望。
[耶利米書:29:12]你們要呼求我，禱告我，我就應允你們。
[耶利米書:29:13]你們尋求我，若專心尋求我，就必尋見。
我老公答應雪梨山達基花約台幣10萬元買整套書籍，先刷卡約三萬台幣了。因為他有跟山達基說沒錢，所以剩餘款項是用每個月四千匯款給一個台灣郵局帳戶，我們有收到雪梨寄來的發票，品項就是那整套書籍，但金額只有約三萬台幣!
不懂，既然發票上金額只有三萬台幣，為何每個月還要付四千給一個郵局的私人帳戶?可以拒付嗎?(已經付二個月了，沒有任何收據或憑證)
老公擔心不全付完會被告，我請對方跟我聯繫，對方都不跟我聯繫，一直針對我老公，我老公又嚇的半死，一直乖乖聽話。
當然~什麼初級課程也花了很多錢了(那個我可以當錢掉了，不計較了。但接下來還有六萬多....真的覺得花的很不明不白!)
版主回覆：(12/29/2013 04:01:11 PM)
您好：
山達基的機構雖然是像老鼠會一樣有上下線機構之分，但是，每一個機構的財務都是分開的，因為業績是分開算的，職員也是跟不同的上司負責呈報業績的。
當收錢的時候，他們是可以不管你從哪一個地區來，先收你的錢再說，然後錢跟業績要怎麼分贓，他們內部再自己做分配...... 這種搶業績的情況往往對學員造成很大的利益損失，也沒有保障。
依您老公的個案來看，他一定是在雪梨參加晚會時被圍起來強迫購買的，當然是用幫助人類、清新社會的偉大目標。他在雪梨刷卡三萬，刷卡機構只收到折合三萬的澳幣，所以只會開給你們信用卡賬單上顯示數字的收據，那是由雪梨機構會計部門開的。
之後的餘款既然是在台灣付的，雪梨機構不會再開給你們收據，你應該要向雪梨機構直屬的台灣山達基中心要。
但是，因為書籍是商品，在台灣還有營業稅與所得稅的問題，而這套書你們是從雪梨取貨的嗎？應該是吧？所以，台灣方面會很懶得再跟你們處理，一旦他開給你們發票，他們就要處理稅務問題，所以，能蒙蔽就蒙蔽，能打混就打混。
你們的書提出來了嗎？如果已經全套提出來，我想要拒付尾款恐怕要辦理退書......但是啊，在山達基要退錢是比登天還難的喔。
如果你們還沒有提書，可以要求退款，表示不想繼續這筆買賣契約。首先，你要跟台灣的山達基機構打聲招呼，表明想要退款的意願，然後一定要寫給他們存證信函，理由就是書籍太貴，不想購買。
你可以跟機構問一下他們亞太地區 ＣＬＯ 的出版銷售部門是誰負責，去找那位負責人。
如果你沒拿書，只是不想繼續付錢，誰也不能強迫你或是說你毀約。當然，山達基內部會用『隔離規章』恐嚇你老公，說你們一旦退錢，終身不得接受山達基服務，也不能再繼續跟山達基朋友往來......他們還會要你老公做品格處理，如果是因為你的關係，你也要被處理喔，如果處理不好，離婚不是不可能的。
我這不是嚇你，這是真實的山達基運作模式，不信你可以試試看。
如果退款不順利或是因此造成家庭問題的話，強烈建議你訴諸消基會與蘋果日報。
反而是接觸山達基搞到......真不值得。
版主辛苦了，祝妳及大家新春好彩頭，羊年平安如意。